Curse

*Darcy* · Mar 20, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Keeping a child blind to the realities of life is not the way to teach him right from wrong; teaching him to accept the responsibility for his own actions instead of blaming everyone else is the way to do that.

If someone has a drinking problem, it is not the fault of a video game, his friends, his neighborhood, his school, his family or his job. It is his fault. (This applies to females also.)

Age: 50+ and the child of an alcholic

Skyy High · Mar 20, 2007, 06:18 PM // 18:18

- The game is rated Teen. If you're a teen, you know about alcohol, and either are drinking or have probably turned it down at some point (in the US)
- For everyone NOT in the US, there is no legal ban on alcohol. Which is probably for the best; I doubt alcohol would be so popular in the 16-20 year old age group if it weren't illegal =/
- Following your argument, GW encourages children to hack people with swords, shoot people with arrows, and light crap on fire. I'd rather kids drink, tbh.
- Yes, MSecorsky, you are allowed to drink in the US if you are underage if a parent gives you the alcohol, in your own house, as long as it's not brought up as child abuse, which would require something...drastic to happen.

Bottom line: it's fantasy. If you personally have a problem with your kid getting his character drunk ingame, stop him. I'd argue that you're overreacting, and by making alcohol so forbidden you're just encouraging your child to try it in real life...but that's just me. As for GW, this is a ridiculous argument.

sindex · Mar 20, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by greenlantern

What about magic? Dark Arts? When was the last time that you wanted to conjure a minion out of corpse?

Just because there is drinking in a game doesn't mean that I'm going to be a drunk in real life.

If you mimicking games in reality then being an alcoholic is the least of your worries, the padded room around you is the first clue that you’re INSANE.

That would be the pope of the Vatican that considers this game to be the work of the devil.

As I keep telling you, politics are controlled by the highest powers. You can’t stop the extremist form doing what they do, if they still have that power.

DIH49 · Mar 20, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Do I still have time to make fun of the OP, or is doing that out of date now?

zwei2stein · Mar 20, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Darcy

Keeping a child blind to the realities of life is not the way to teach him right from wrong; teaching him to accept the responsibility for his own actions instead of blaming everyone else is the way to do that.

Amen. all the parents who think that keeping children ignormat will keep em pure are simply wrong ... if anything, sheltered kid is prone to taking most damage by things he was sheltered from.

This inludes everything (alohol, sex, other culture cultures...) - duty of good parent is to teach children about theese things and ensure that when it gets exposed to them for 1st time its done in controled enviroment and child learned enough to handle it right way.

Code=007 · Mar 20, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Let me ask you..... Just cause you play guild wars does it make you run around outside with an axe and your pet kitty shouting "I WILL AVENGE YOU!"

Well i do it... wanna pics
*grabs his bastard sword and orders his giant miniature hamster to attack*

go for the eyessss!

sindex · Mar 20, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Code=007

Well i do it... wanna pics
*grabs his bastard sword and orders his giant miniature hamster to attack*

go for the eyessss!

Right now they are composing an assassination list of all of us, who believe that we should have alcohol consumption, murder, and the dark arts in GW. This will be followed by plenty of endless lawsuits that will go nowhere. However it will create a world as of “1984,” even though that world has come and pass.

Batou of Nine · Mar 20, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Methinks the OP is a little out of touch with reality.

No, it is not Anet's responsibility to help guide *your* child through game influences. Anet can do as they wish provided it is labeled as such; which it is. Concerning children being influenced, it is YOUR responsibility as a parent. 90% of the world contains something a parent may not want their child to learn about, so they keep their child away from it. 90% of the world cannot conform just so a few people can be lazy about protecting their children. Likewise, Anet cannot conform a whole game so that your child can play; they have already targeted a certain age market (Teen and Above) and the game WARNS you as such. Do what the rest of the world's responsible parents do, and be pro-active with protecting your children.

As far as it having real world influence. No. As already stated by many here (yes, i read through every single response, lol) a game such as Guild Wars involves MANY things that could be construed as "bad", but if a person can get directly influenced by FANTASY, then they obviously are not at the right age or maturity to handle the game in the first place. Oh wait, didn't we already establish that the game DOES have a ESRB TEEN rating? Ummm ya.

Honestly, i really don't understand picking out such trite details to complain about.

And whoever called you liberal is way off base. Try ultra conservative. They already tried linking school violence with games (with ridiculous results) and getting them restricted even more or even banned from USA shelves. They failed miserably...why? Because the people with good common sense realized that a VERY select few that seem directly affected by games often have emotional or mential issues. Fact.

Alchohol promotion in Guild Wars? Sure, along with the rest of the world. You cant handle it, then try the local fully padded, white room. It should help to keep the world out!

MMm, i was kinda harsh, sorry. But really, come ON!?
cheers.

Captain Sarcastic · Mar 20, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by morimoto

i believe that Anet can do more to protect our children from the devastating effects of alcohol abuse.

I believe that the first defense of children should be the parents. If you feel that your children shouldn't play the game, then you make that decision. Other parents are responsible for their children. It's not a-net's job, or the Government's job, to babysit children. It's the job of the parent.

While on very rare occasions, the logic is valid, too many times, I see the "won't someone please think of the children" defense used as an excuse to inflict a particular set of morals on the populace as a whole.

age= over thirty (the specific age is nonya)

sindex · Mar 20, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Captain Sarcastic

I believe that the first defense of children should be the parents. If you feel that your children shouldn't play the game, then you make that decision. Other parents are responsible for their children. It's not a-net's job, or the Government's job, to babysit children. It's the job of the parent.

While on very rare occasions, the logic is valid, too many times, I see the "won't someone please think of the children" defense used as an excuse to inflict a particular set of morals on the populace as a whole.

age= over thirty (the specific age is nonya)

Yes when parents say to they’re child go play on the freeway, that will be the day when parents will take responsibly for their actions. You would not believe what some of these parents do with their children, and then nag at the entertainment industry for their troubles.

Sir Skullcrasher · Mar 20, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Good thing we don't have to drink in-game or else think about how many DUI you would be getting.

The Ernada · Mar 20, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

It's part of ANET's plan to corrupt the youth in addition to adding the Asura to the game. At least according to the Chicken Little crowd.

explodemyheart · Mar 20, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Yes, if people get drunk because of drinking in game, Anet should be responsible. Kind of like how McDonalds is responsible for fat people.

Wait, what?

Yaga Philipe · Mar 20, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

ok, looks like someone needs to take a little walk outside.

It's the kids fault if they start drinking. Anet isn't forcing them to drink, in or out of the game. I hadn't even heard of the ale until mid summer. It's not like it's some really big thing.

bug_out · Mar 20, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by Captain Sarcastic

I believe that the first defense of children should be the parents. If you feel that your children shouldn't play the game, then you make that decision. Other parents are responsible for their children. It's not a-net's job, or the Government's job, to babysit children. It's the job of the parent.

QFT!

Too bad most of the people I know with kids think it's someone elses job to raise them. Then when the kids do something stupid that they saw on TV or in a game, etc., it's not their fault. People shouldn't be allowed to breed unless and until they are going to take responsibility for what they unleash on the world.

Back to the OPs point... It's not Anet's responsibility to do anything. It's the parents responsibility to raise their kids to distinguish between fantasy and reality, to not do stupid s--t just beacuse they saw it somewhere, etc.

blood4blood · Mar 20, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

In-game: I've been playing GW for nearly two years now, and I've participated in all of the events, and I've got a Drunkard title on one character.

Real life: I'm over 21, haven't had a drink in a couple months (just haven't felt like it) but do drink occasionally, and I quit smoking 4 months ago (/congrats to me! lol).

Conclusion: I see absolutely no connection between having "alcohol" as an in-game item and people's real-life behavior.

Bryant Again · Mar 20, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

To answer the OP's question about Arenanet promoting alcohol abuse, while providing sufficent filler in order to make this post valid:

No.

xiaotsu · Mar 20, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

In a game where the main objective is to obliterate everything in sight, I highly doubt alcohol is going to do any worse.

BTW; I'm all for video game violence and in-game alcohol consumption

Only idiots would think that because it's ok in the game means it's ok in real life.

unienaule · Mar 20, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

The message from the community is clear and before it turns into outright flaming this thread should be closed.